DS-50 versus YS-25
Posted: 30 January 2006 11:21 PM  [Ignore]
Flotsam (Treibgut)
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Hello I am looking to buy a strobe for my pentax optio s5i camera.

I am very interested by the Ikelite ds-50. But I was told that my internal flash can create backscatter because it is near my camera.

Would it be better to get instead the ys-25 with an optical link which will cover my internal flash?

Please advice

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Stephane


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Posted: 31 January 2006 12:54 AM  [Ignore]  [ # 1]
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Hi,

I did use the DS-50 with my olympus C-5050 and olympus housing
My advise, cover the internal flash by putting a cellotipe at the housing, just enough to send signal to the slave…

I think DS-50 is better simply for the bigger power

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Posted: 31 January 2006 06:39 AM  [Ignore]  [ # 2]
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u might also want to consider using the ds 125or the ds 200 its a much better range and recycle time


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Posted: 23 June 2006 07:49 PM  [Ignore]  [ # 3]
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Yes a DS125 if u can afford it I got a DS50 and am now thinking of the DS125 for more light. But need more money to get more light. The DS50 works well but I need a bigger angle of coverage.


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Posted: 23 June 2006 09:34 PM  [Ignore]  [ # 4]
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thats kool but its recycle time is far too long for myself cuz i shoot a DSLR


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Posted: 18 July 2006 11:45 PM  [Ignore]  [ # 5]
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its recycle time is far too long for myself cuz i shoot a DSLR

The recycle time between the 2 are minimal at best, 2 seconds max.  So in practical terms it will not make a difference.  I have shot both the DS-125 (which specs out one-tenth of a second quicker than the DS-200) and at no point to recycle time mean anything, assuming you take a look at the photo after you shoot it or are recomposing the subject.

Of course there are some times where it can be an issue if you are just pointing and banging away without tracking the composition (which for things such as Spotted Drums or Jack Knifes, man those guys move), but if you are shooting in continuous mode the camera will outrun the recycle time anyway, since dSLRs usually are quicker than 1 frame a second.

The new DS51 may do the trick with a dual arm rig.  Again good batteries (double AAs), gets more flashes (at least my DS-50 vs DS-125) and small.  Also you can get even lighting.  In fact two DS51s will cost about the same ($672) as one DS-125 with charger ($649)

The recycle time is the least important thing to look at in this, at least from a practical real world example.  The benefit (albeit limited) of the two larger strobes is the spotting light.  Yes they have a bigger range, etc.

BUT the advantages they may have, if any, can be offset if you have to travel and actually haul gear when diving - the size and weight of the strobes, plus the horrible wall wart charger can become a real pain when compared to strobes 1/2 the size and weight. Adding the DS-125 is noticable.

Also the original poster Stephanenyc did not mention what other items are in the rig, because the angle of coverage of any of the smalller strobes should cover the Pentax lens area (unless there are other things?).  And lastlly both the DS-51 and the YS-25 will both run about the same costs with cords or remote controller (as applicable) give or take a bit.  And based on that the DS-50/51 may be the better way to go


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Posted: 19 July 2006 06:26 AM  [Ignore]  [ # 6]
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For me in shooting some subject 2 seconds can almost seem like forever but thats just me and how i use my composition tech’s just giving my personal advice thats all.


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Posted: 19 July 2006 05:35 PM  [Ignore]  [ # 7]
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2 seconds can almost seem like forever

I hear that, underwater does that and so do certain situations underwater. “C’mon turn around and face me rock beauty, my group is really getting far away” smile

But that said many factors go into what people need, for instance budget and travel considerations. Unfortunately for me, most of the time I got to go places via plane, so some of these things factor in a bit more (I am jealous, it looks like you can dive whenever you want in Florida smile )

I plan some road trips in the car to go diving, so everything is going, yes even the proverbial kitchen sink. But when flying, people usually prefer to carry their gear (at least I do) on board so they can shoot. If my clothes do not make it, I can always buy a t-shirt and shorts, if my camera and video gear do not make it, urgh.

And of course there are also budget issues. I know what I would recommend if unlimited budgets exist, totally maxed out high end Nikon or Canon camera, every lens and port, double arms with big strobes, plus someone to carry it. But again sometimes not practical to give that as advice.

And there are other consiiderations - for instance the Pentax camera has tested out with good shutter lag, but cycle times are slower. So any of the strobes will match up. Like I said earlier, if you are going to drop dime on the strobes, you may be able to get a dual rig for the same price, and if the choice is one DS-125 or 2 DS50/51s, based on factors also mentioned below, the DS50/51 combo can be alot better setup. The angle of coverage also should be adequate even with one strobe (not sure if the poster has a WA lens or not, or if one is available.) Some other considerations - does the person night dive alot? Dives cenotes or wrecks? Goes to places with alot of long swimthroughs? If so perhaps the spotting light feature of the DS-125 is worth more in that case, otherwise a simple SL-6 taped to the arm may do the trick. In fact all these things factor into what I take on a trip or on a particular day of diving for me.

Does the person have alot of dives under their belt? (If you are new to diving or multitasking underwater, sometimes a small camera/single small strobe may be easier to handle until you get buoyancy down, and the person may be able to get better results than trying to haandle a big rig.)

You have to remember you have unique experiences and special opportunities in what you are able to do (dive) and access to equipment based on your business and location (again jealous here :D ) but other people may not have the same things in their lives.

And obviously what I post also has my natural tendencies and thoughts based on my experiences and someone reading this can think I am off base, so I am not saying you are wrong in what you are saying so please do not take it that way.

But sometimes the best answer to questions can be a couple of more questions.

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Posted: 20 July 2006 05:25 AM  [Ignore]  [ # 8]
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I understand that peopel cant spnd the amount of money that i do and hae to buy what they can im just giving my opinion for what i do that is all .  if someone says they can sink 700 into a strobe ill say which one i think is worth it im not trying to start a huge argument here ....


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Posted: 22 July 2006 07:52 PM  [Ignore]  [ # 9]
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hello,
maybe it’s all right above, but think about the pricing and using the strobes in the future with other cameras. IMHO forget the YS-15, think about the YS-110. its digital, with a focus light inside, 12manual switches and can used with all dslr cameras with a nikon strobe socket. and the price? don’t know exacly for the US, in Germany it costs 444€, think something about 560USD.

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Posted: 22 July 2006 09:39 PM  [Ignore]  [ # 10]
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Can you give a link to the YS 110 .... I haven’t seen it yet.


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Posted: 23 July 2006 11:12 AM  [Ignore]  [ # 11]
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hello,
link for pricing: http://www.seaandsea-megastore.de/Blitzgeraete/i1010585
link for description: german: http://www.nautica.at/shop/product_info.php?products_id=879
in english: http://www.digifish.nl/en/equipment/strobes/seaandsea.html
best wishes
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